Donald Trump and the Attention Economy: Steal from Him to Stay Top-of-Mind
Several years ago, I was invited to attend a gathering of Hubbard programmers. Traditionally when programmers of any company gather, it’s time to learn. One of the teachers that day, besides me, was Fred Jacobs.
Fred gives a great presentation and something he said that day has stayed with me for years: Donald Trump would have been an amazingly successful program director because he knows how to command our attention and create talk.
The previous Planet Reynolds (Steve Wants to Sell You a Horse) noted how we are in the Attention Economy now. Everywhere we turn, something is vying to capture our attention. I’d mentioned in that piece that often what I hear on radio shows is pleasant people having pleasant conversations about perfectly acceptable topics. We don’t try hard enough to capture and keep the attention of our listeners. By not doing that, we create the circumstances where something else will. That’s one of the reasons TSL is abysmal.
So, Steve got to thinking! I noodled on this question: what does Donald Trump do that makes all of us, regardless of whether we love or hate him, stop to pay attention? And what can we take from that to get better so our fans don’t leave?
Here are the ten items I landed on with applications of how they might work for you. I’m not advocating you start talking about politics or culture-war issues. But seizing on some of his techniques noted here up against the topics appropriate for your show might create more energy where listeners will stay longer or come back because you’re electric. Because tension equals attention.
- He frames everything as a fight. Everything is a battle: winners and losers, there are always stakes. He knows that friction magnetizes attention. For you: think about how you frame things. For instance, you can say, “Let’s talk about tipping in America.” Or you can say, “If one more person asks me to tip them, I’m going to drive my car into a building.” Which is more attention-getting?
- He uses memorable labels. He knows how to brand everything with sticky shorthand. Fake what? Crooked who? Sleepy who? It’s all mental Velcro. For you: naming what you do is highly memorable. Labels are remembered faster.
- He talks in simple language. He uses short sentences and everyday words with a punchy rhythm with his barstool voice. For you: if the sentence sounds like it belongs in an email from corporate, kick it out. We’re just in the car chatting.
- He repeats the message relentlessly. He knows that repetition builds memory and memorability builds identity. Because repetition is branding. For you: never fear over-teaching anything by repeating yourself. A catch phrase or a core belief of the show said over and over helps it cut through.
- He creates moments designed for reaction. Reaction fuels attention. Attention fuels coverage. Coverage fuels reach. For you: engineer a reaction in what you do. Bold language ignites a conversation in their brain.
- He makes everything personal. Stories about people are easier for audiences to emotionally process. For you: Who’s human in what you’re doing? Humans beat abstractions every time.
- He performs confidently. He has absolute certainty on everything. Maybe? Kinda? Nope. Conviction builds trust. For you: Not arrogance, but conviction. We like being around people who know what they want and think. Because living in the mushy middle is a one-way ticket to Loserville.
- He creates ongoing storylines. Ongoing narratives are followed. It’s Trump vs. the media. America is winning not losing. For you: make people pay attention to see what happens next in the story. For instance – Steve thinks golf is stupid. Let’s change his mind with some lessons and beers this weekend. Tune in Monday to see if he’s a convert.
- He understands the camera. He creates mental cinema. For you: speak to create a picture. “I’m standing in the aisle at Walmart, holding a $9 jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise, wondering why it’s so expensive.” You saw me in that Walmart aisle holding the mayo, right?
- He is unpredictable. He never lets the conversation become background noise because he knows that predictability comforts and surprise captures attention. For you: don’t let your break become background babble. The unexpected guest, the sudden stunt, the random street audio, a new segment. It all goes to helping keep their attention.
Attention beats perfection. A show that occasionally ruffles feathers, but sparks conversation will beat a polite show no one talks about.
The world around us has changed, folks. It’s louder, edgier, and very, very noisy. Job #1 is to capture their attention. Job #2 is to keep it.
Do that and they won’t just hear you, they’ll follow you.

It was the Monday after the Kentucky Derby many moons ago. My on-air partner and I decided we needed to use that topic for content on the show. So, we hatched this brilliant idea to call the McDonalds up the road from the station, claiming we were the owners of the horse that came in last place, to see how much they’d give us for him, saying he’d make for delicious hamburgers.
Check all the stories at the very top top. They each satisfy #1 above: I’m alone in the house and have to keep it clean for when my girlfriend returns from a trip; I am going on vacation without much money and might stay at a “sex hotel” because it’s cheap; my neighbor borrowed something and won’t give it back; my dog is sick and we have massive vet bills. In each of these, the average listener could relate and you’re bonding with them because of those commonalities.
Your fans are driving to work, listening to you, and having fun. In the quiet, darker moments, what feeling might they be experiencing? We hear much about a loneliness epidemic in society. It impacts us all, whether we wish to openly acknowledge it or not. Loneliness is a public health crisis and no longer a fringe issue. In the quiet spaces of life – the commute, the cubicle, the kitchen at night, we all have pangs of feeling alone in this hyperconnected world. These are the exact moments where personality radio excels.
Is Steve in an ornery mood today? Geez, I don’t think so. I just had coffee with him this morning and he seemed fine. Let’s ask: “Hey Steve, anything bugging you today? And why the hell are you talking in the third person in the blog that you write?”
The wonderfully smart Dom Theodore called me on a Monday many years ago. He was programming then CBS’s new Top 40 AMP in New York City. He wanted me to come to town that Thursday to interview someone they were considering for mornings. Someone who was out-of-the-box. They were wondering if they were crazy considering this person.
Nick made every meeting, even if it meant taking the red eye from Los Angeles. He called to ask questions and for advice. He thought about radio all the time and worked to learn how we do this. Despite the station not succeeding (because of a little thing called Z100), I adored Nick. His greatness wanted coaching.
If you only want to be coached on your terms, you don’t want greatness. You want comfort.
Here are twelve ways a tenured show can slowly get itself into trouble. This won’t happen overnight. A dramatic ratings collapse won’t happen. But inch-by-inch violate enough of these, and you’ll be coasting. Because smart competitors love strategic confusion, you’ll also be quietly building a launchpad for one of them to steal your audience.
However, a disconnect emerged. While Whoopi had a storied career, including her acclaimed role in The Color Purple, much of the radio audience expected to wake up with the comedian they loved in Sister Act. Her vision for the show was more aligned with what she does today on The View. Sitting in the studio most mornings, I saw firsthand the audience wasn’t expecting that direction. Despite the great interviews and funny moments, the show struggled. We learned that in a nine-minute listening occasion, you must be true to your brand. The constant listener calls referencing Sister Act were a reminder that while Whoopi was incredibly talented, that alone wasn’t enough to deliver the expected ratings success.
I have worked with many shows where the personalities are unsure of their roles or their on-air relationships. In successful long-running television shows, the audience knows exactly how each character will react. From I Love Lucy to Seinfeld to Everybody Loves Raymond, character friction drives the content.
Last week, I was sent to the grocery store. My partner is the cook in our relationship, and he directed me to get peeled tomatoes for a recipe. I dutifully drove to the Harris Teeter and found them in aisle five. Ah, success! But then dread and dark clouds hovered over. Did he want the tomatoes with basil? The ones with oregano and garlic? Plain? The ones already chopped or whole? Did he want the Hunts or Contadina brand, or could I buy the less expensive Harris Teeter brand, which was on sale?
I have a disease called Permanent Content Brain. The phrase was coined by podcaster Pablo Torre who admits, as do I, that everything I see I wonder how it can be content on a show. I am reminded of talent who go about their lives and never see the power of this kinda stuff to help them be relatable or use it to create fun stories the audience identifies with. So many say “nothing happened to me yesterday” yet when I dig deep and get inquisitive, so much content appears. They didn’t see it because they weren’t paying attention.